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Pre-Jagged Little Pill, you toured with Vanilla Ice. It's kind of like in traffic when you're yelling at someone for cutting you off and you're cutting someone off too. People must be very at odds with the idea of being profoundly stupid. I wouldn't say bored, I would say interested because I love to get to the underbelly of why things bug people so much. How bored are you by people saying there's nothing ironic about Ironic (6)? It felt like every millisecond I was attempting to set a boundary and say no and people were breaking into my hotel rooms and going through my suitcase and pulling my hair and jumping on my car. But I still have PTSD from the Jagged Little Pill era.
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I could offer comfort and upliftment (5) and be a leader and take on that responsibility, rather than see it as this daunting thing. I could actually have it help me serve my vocationfulness (4). But, you know, I think fame became exciting for me in the late 90s because I could actually use it as a means to an end. There's also a song on your album called Celebrity, which features the line: "I am a tattooed sexy dancing monkey." Is it about Paris Hilton? Yeah, he must have been in the solution mode and saw something else that needed solving and he went and did that. So I wouldn't interpret it as a direct affront to me. I definitely wouldn't do it for him, but I also think that part of the beautiful, masculine quality is single-mindedness. If, for example, your husband (3) had a snack, perhaps a sandwich, but didn't clean up after himself, would you do it and note that it's his turn next time? Some of your new songs deal with equality in marriage. The alpha-woman was burned at the stake and had her head chopped off in days of old. Anger has been a really big deal for women: how can we express it without feeling that, as the physically weaker sex, we won't get killed. I thought I would be retaliated against or physically hit or vilified. I have not always been direct with my anger in my relationships, which is part of why I'd write about it in my songs because I had such fear around expressing anger as a woman. When someone says that I'm angry it's actually a compliment. I read a reference to you as "the former angry young woman". The 2000s were all about entertainment again with the economy doing what it was and I think people wanted a break from the inward-looking, quandary-esque approach (2) and then now, not a moment too soon, I see us segueing back into a more psychological, emotional, spiritual commentary movement in music. And then the 90s was about emotional landscape commentary and I was a big part of that (1). I see the movement in terms of the 60s and 70s being all about social and political commentary around the Vietnam era, and the 80s were really about entertainment. How do you think you are perceived by the general public in 2012? I think space is tantamount to keeping harmony going.